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Post by grrraaahhh on Sept 11, 2010 14:57:05 GMT -9
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Post by warsaw on Dec 12, 2010 14:37:57 GMT -9
"Tiger: portrait of a predator "Valmik Thapar - 1999
"...There was a full moon on the night of 10 November 1981 when a tigress and two cubs appear to have been walking down the Lahpur vallet nearly 20 kilometres from Jogi Mahal. She must have spotted an adult male tiger walking the opposite direction. Indications existed of the cubs scampering away. The tigress seemed to have conintued towards the tiger then risen and gone to sit in the sandy part of a nearby stream bed. Obviously at this moment the tgiress was doing her best to be affectionate with the male and bid him a rapid farewell before any interaction was possible between him and the cubs.
But it did not work. The cubs seem to have attempted scampering back to their mother, probably finding the insecurity of separation to much to take. At this moment there must have been havoc, and some incredible vocalization was even heard in a guard post some 2 kilometres away. It appears that the male moved in a flash towards the cubs, and the mother was forced to take quick action. With a leap and a bound she attacked the male from the rear, clawing his right foreleg before sinking her canines in and killing him. It was an amazing exmaple og instinctive reaction: a tgiress killing a prime male tiger to save her cubs from possible death. The make must have been caught completelyby surprise and just succumbed. Later the tigress proceeded to open his rump, and eat off his hind leg. Tiger eating tiger: this was a rare example of a fatal interaction between time..."
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 15, 2010 12:08:24 GMT -9
"Tiger: portrait of a predator "Valmik Thapar - 1999 "...There was a full moon on the night of 10 November 1981 when a tigress and two cubs appear to have been walking down the Lahpur valley nearly 20 kilometers from Jogi Mahal. She must have spotted an adult male tiger walking the opposite direction. Indications existed of the cubs scampering away. The tigress seemed to have continued towards the tiger then risen and gone to sit in the sandy part of a nearby stream bed. Obviously at this moment the tigress was doing her best to be affectionate with the male and bid him a rapid farewell before any interaction was possible between him and the cubs. But it did not work. The cubs seem to have attempted scampering back to their mother, probably finding the insecurity of separation to much to take. At this moment there must have been havoc, and some incredible vocalization was even heard in a guard post some 2 kilometers away. It appears that the male moved in a flash towards the cubs, and the mother was forced to take quick action. With a leap and a bound she attacked the male from the rear, clawing his right foreleg before sinking her canines in and killing him. It was an amazing example of instinctive reaction: a tigress killing a prime male tiger to save her cubs from possible death. The make must have been caught completely by surprise and just succumbed. Later the tigress proceeded to open his rump, and eat off his hind leg. Tiger eating tiger: this was a rare example of a fatal interaction between time..." Interesting text extract, it's not really bear related but interesting because of the tiger's predatory position a top this region of the world's food pyramid and in this specific case, as described by Thapar, the death of a prime male tiger. While a formidable predator, the risks to the tiger at similar weights (in some cases less and in others more) against a robust predator exist and in some cases the risks can be fatal. |
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Post by warsaw on May 19, 2011 13:12:33 GMT -9
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Post by grrraaahhh on May 20, 2011 7:31:48 GMT -9
Unfortunately, there are extreme online elements more interested about misinformation than accuracy. After obtaining the Mazak material from AVA; our YouTube friend actually emailed me to gloat. I did not have the heart to tell the person that the animal victim is a wild boar. Either that or the poster knew their statement to be false because as the original text shows (thank you for posting) it does provide the reader with the details. Since then, the false explanation has been copied by others. There are similar bogus 'large dead brown bear' materials being pandered to the online public from the same partisans for lack of a better word e.g., incorrect scaled Photoshop images and incorrect claims. All together, for many reasons, it reflects very negatively on certain online groups. |
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Post by warsaw on Aug 25, 2011 4:53:08 GMT -9
 vgorbatov.ru/?page_id=634"...Unfortunately, Ivan Seryodkin and his 4 co-authors were unable to attend the conference, so his presentation on the Intraspecific relationships between brown bears, Asiatic black bears and the Amur tiger was graciously read by his colleague Tsutomu Mano. The Sikhote-Alin Zapovednik in the Primorsky region of the Russian Far East is a unique habitat in which brown bears, Asiatic black bears and Amur tigers co-exist. During this investigation, Ivan and his co-authors visited 427 tiger kills. Of these, 16.7% had been scavenged by brown bears, most of which were red deer. They documented 22 cases in which tigers killed brown bears, 12 cases in which brown bears killed tigers, and 10 cases where the species fought but there were no immediate fatalities. Encounters with black bears were unclear, but it was evident that all 3 species used the same mark and rub trees..." www.bearbiology.com/fileadmin/tpl/Downloads/IBN_Newsletters/IBN_Low_February_2011.pdf |
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Post by warsaw on Aug 26, 2011 3:53:54 GMT -9
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Post by warsaw on Aug 29, 2011 7:06:38 GMT -9
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Post by warsaw on Nov 6, 2011 1:49:28 GMT -9
Intraspecific relationships between brown bears, Asiatic black bears and the
Amur tiger
Seryodkin, I.V.1, J.M. Goodrich2, A.V. Kostyria3, E.N. Smirnov4, D.G. Miquelle2
1 Pacific Geographical Institute, FEB RAS, Vladivostok, Russia, 690041
2 Wildlife Conservation Society, Bronx, NY, 10460, USA
3 Institute of Biology and Soil Science, FEB RAS, Vladivostok, Russia, 690022
4 Sikhote-AlinState Biosphere Zapovednik, Terney, Russia, 692150
In the Russian Far East, the Amur tiger (Panthera tigris altaica), brown bear (Ursus arctos) and Asiatic black bear (U.
thibetanus) all share the same habitat. These three species all prefer deciduous and mixed wood forests. In the Sikhote-Alin
protected area, the relationship between bears and a tiger were studied during extensive telemetry research in the region.
During the non-denning period bears scavenged 16.7% of surveyed tiger kills (n=427). Brown bears scavenged tiger kills
6.7 times more often, than Asiatic black bears. The frequency of autumn scavenging by bears was less than spring (X2 = 8.7,
df= 1, p= 0.003) andsummer (X2 = 10.5, df= 1, p= 0.012). In 44.4% of cases the bears scavenged tiger kills only after the
tiger had abandoned the kill site. In at least 4 cases (11.1 %) bears displaced tigers from a kill, while in 4 cases both tigers
and bears utilized the kill during the same period. Analysis has shown that 2.1% of bears diet is obtained from tiger kills,
1.4% for brown bears and 0.7% from Asiatic black bears. In 44 recorded encounters between tigers and bears, the tiger
initiated contact in 12 cases while the bear initiated contact in 8 cases. Of these encounters, 50% resulted in the death of the
bear, 27.3% resulted in the death of the tiger and in 22.7% of encounters both animals survived and parted ways. Records
of tigers killing Asiatic black bears are unclear. Tigers can prey on denning bears, and the Asiatic black bear have better
protected dens then brown bears. Bears often follow tiger tracks through deep snow for ease of movement, to scavenge tiger
kills and to potentially prey on tigers. Tigers, brown bears and Asiatic black bears all use the same mark and rub trees.
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Post by grrraaahhh on Nov 13, 2011 9:09:24 GMT -9
If you want to see evidence of a grizzly bear or brown bear's pulling capacity one suggestion would be to find literature or video references of them pulling a bison or moose carcass for example ones that did not survive the winter (the ones that have not decomposed) or better yet relating carrion extraction from a river or in other cases where the bear will pull the victim to hide and bury/cache it. The polar bear have be known to pull out of water onto the ice a Beluga whale which may weigh five times as much as the Polar Bear (Freeman 1973).
FWIW, I think a lot of these online 'bio-mechanical' arguments have reached dimensions of the absurd.
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Post by sarus on Jun 29, 2012 19:34:13 GMT -9
¨__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________  Tiger feeding__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________  From left to right:* Изюбрь - Manchurian wapiti ( Cervus canadensis xanthopygus) * Кабан - Wild boar ( Sus scrofa) * Пятнистый олень - Sika deer ( Cervus nippon) * Европейская косуля - Siberian roe deer ( Capreolus pygargus) * Медведь - Bear ( Ursus...) * Другие - Others __________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________   BEAR KILLED BY TIGER?__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ SOURCE: SERYODKIN__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________
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Post by grrraaahhh on Jul 10, 2012 20:04:17 GMT -9
¨__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ Tiger feeding__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ From left to right:* Изюбрь - Manchurian wapiti ( Cervus canadensis xanthopygus) * Кабан - Wild boar ( Sus scrofa) * Пятнистый олень - Sika deer ( Cervus nippon) * Европейская косуля - Siberian roe deer ( Capreolus pygargus) * Медведь - Bear ( Ursus...) * Другие - Others __________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ BEAR KILLED BY TIGER?__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ SOURCE: SERYODKIN__________________________________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________________________________________ Thanks Sarus. I haven't had time to translate/read the Seryodkin (he's a favorite of mine) document. IMO, the victim looks like a small bear possibly sub adult. |
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Post by grrraaahhh on Feb 9, 2013 11:00:16 GMT -9
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Post by warsaw on Mar 19, 2013 13:16:43 GMT -9
Sloth bears ? "...A strange example of a tiger's departing from the usual food of the Felidae, is that of a large male near Poonjoor some years ago, that is said to have killed and eaten several bears. The account of his doings in the Poons joor jungles was given me by old Bommay Gouda, whom I have already mentioned as having lived all his life amongst tigers, bears, and elephants . and as an authority whose interesting accounts of the habits and peculiarities of the occupants of the jungles could be relied on. It appears that this tiger killed several bears at different times whilst feeding, coming from behind and seizing them by the nape of the neck, and bearing them down (no pun intended), after a struggle, by his weight and strength. Towards corroborating this account some Sholagas at the other end of the hills, twenty miles away, and who knew nothing of what Bommay Gouda had told me, gave me a similar account ; adding that a bear had been thus killed and partially eaten in a clearing where they were watching their crops early one morning. This was doubtless the same tiger. My Morlay trackers also told me that some years ago they surrounded a bear and her three-parts grown cub with nets in a date-grove close to which my bungalow now stands at Morlay. The bears broke through the nets, the big she being severely speared in doing so, and both got clear away to a ravine a mile distant. Next morning they were found together, dead, and the large bear partially eaten by a tiger whose marks were all around. Whether she had died of her wounds or had been killed by the tiger the men had not taken sufficient notice at the time to be able to tell me, but the cub had been killed. This was also probably the work of the same tiger. The carcass of a bear which I once shot at Yerlsariga, and which was dragged to some distance from the tents after being skinned, was partially eaten by a leopard that night, which shows that the Felidae do not always confine themselves to cattle and game..." "...Then he unwound the turban from his head, and having tied it round the beast's neck, haled him to his den, gravely lecturing as he led. Moti went like a lamb. Some years after, it is sad to say, the Jemadar was killed by a bear who had not the tiger's respect for official authority. Which things are an allegory of Empire as well as a true tale..." www.payer.de/ayurveda/tiere/panthera_tigris_tigris.htm |
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Post by warsaw on Dec 4, 2013 14:13:02 GMT -9
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