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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 1:42:45 GMT -9
Does anyone have any accounts of atlas bears relationships with lions. Also big bons on ava claims that the account of 'lion killing polar bear' was originally 'polar bear kills lion, lion dies and polar bear seriously injured' and that account was modified etc. I am not sure about this, however, bons said he will continue do do a research on this.
I am sure most posters have already seen that account.
Administrator Note: Because the thread has morhphed to include tigers I have edited the thread title to include big cats and bears interactions. As an aside, relating questions are better made minus the "he said" - "she said" background but rather put in the form of a question (see revised forum rules). Anyhow, Bonns is known to me - drop him a hello from me the next time you two cross online paths.
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Post by sarus on Dec 2, 2011 13:37:28 GMT -9
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2011 18:28:11 GMT -9
Thanks sarus for the account. That was the account that big bons said was modified and he said if he was not mistaken, the topic was originally called 'lions killed and polar bear seriously injured'. What is your opinion on that sarus?
Nevertheless, polar bears don't reach their full size outside their natural environment so it doesn't surprise me even if the lion won (I am still confuse). Warsaw did post an account of a polar bear killing two lions on sepreate occassions.
Dos anyone have the historical account of a polar bear killing a tiger but it died not because of its wounds but overheating?
Here are some accounts:
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 3, 2011 6:21:55 GMT -9
I'll respond more on this topic later (I will have to comb through my files for relating material).   Source: Field and Stream Magazine (February, 1944). |
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Post by sarus on Dec 3, 2011 8:49:56 GMT -9
[maroon]The Polar bear that killed two lions was called Velox.
It was a female bear.[/maroon] [blue]Velox[/blue] [blue]Velox[/blue]► www.31stinfantry.org/velox.htm
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 3, 2011 13:38:08 GMT -9
Thanks again sarus. Check your inbox for a PM.
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 3, 2011 17:55:29 GMT -9
Original posts made by Warsaw:             
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 3, 2011 19:45:40 GMT -9
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 3, 2011 19:55:55 GMT -9
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Post by sarus on Dec 3, 2011 21:05:02 GMT -9
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Post by warsaw on Dec 4, 2011 5:13:13 GMT -9
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 4, 2011 16:34:31 GMT -9
Looks like an Ussuri brownie. I am wondering if this is 'Doris' the female brownie?  Maybe somebody else (sarus) can clarify? I think this is another Clyde Beatty bear/tiger event: Bear Is Winner"After the tiger killed the boy it jumped over a wall and down into the grotto of a big Russian bear. The bear killed that tiger with the greatest of ease, and that was the part of the whole terrible tragedy that the newspapers featured a--Russian bear could kill a tiger so easily!
"The next day we opened our season -we give three performances a day when we are at the gardens and for weeks afterwards nearly all the visitors who came wanted to see the bear that killed the tiger. That was the thing that interested nearly everyone. Nobody seemed much interested in the fact that a boy had got killed by an infuriated tiger.
"The next three weeks were a nightmare. Animals can sense it when something is wrong and they sure knew something was amiss then. We were advertised to open our winter season at the gardens the next day, and we opened on schedule. But everything went wrong. news.google.com/newspapers?id=7gUoAAAAIBAJ&sjid=8iIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4779%2C1510546 |
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 4, 2011 16:47:09 GMT -9
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Post by grrraaahhh on Dec 4, 2011 17:14:59 GMT -9
Does anyone have any accounts of atlas bears relationships with lions. Also big bons on ava claims that the account of 'lion killing polar bear' was originally 'polar bear kills lion, lion dies and polar bear seriously injured' and that account was modified etc. I am not sure about this, however, bons said he will continue do do a research on this. I am sure most posters have already seen that account. While everyone digs up material on a lot of the circus related/zoo and in some cases cage fights with bears & felines (not just lion but also tigers) I thought I would add a comment about the natural history relations between lions and bears which as far as I know there is little information on in both North Africa and Eurasia Pleistocene/Holocene Epochs. If you're interested, there's an ongoing thread on cave bear and cave lion relations and there's also a thread on Giant short-faced bear relations with Pleistocene big cats e.g., P. atrox & Smilodon. As I understand it, little is also known about other earlier forms of bears genus Indarctos & Agriotherium and big cat relations. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 17:55:35 GMT -9
I have already seen the cave bear relationship with cave lions and cave hyenas. Will look up the other thread shortly.
The polar bears in those pictures don't look larger than lions and the bear in a few of those pictures is acctually shorther than its trainer.
I am not sure if that bear is male or female but the female polar bear in the Singapore Zoo is much smaller than that, therefore, I am not surprise if that bear was male.
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